Friday, May 30, 2008

Civil disobedience

Let's all go and get pissed on the tube! Fuck the nanny state! Raaaaargh!!!

15 comments:

Billy said...

Bah, I thought Boris was supposed to be a libertarian. And not in the US-sense of the word, which means "conservative who likes to smoke pot".

Istvanski said...

Do make sure you have someone to 'mind the gap' on your behalf when you're severly inebriated on the LU network.

Annie said...

Billy *mumbles darkly about Boris*

Istvanski - banning alcohol on the tube is not going to stop people a) being careless idiots b) getting into fights c) committing suicide. It's an empty gesture by an increasingly restrictive, petty, bureaucratic state.

Istvanski said...

Calm down, Annie, I get the point of your post. It's immaterial where people drink and Boris should concentrate on doing something about those careless idiots who don't drink responsibly and use public transport.
I find having to share a busy carraige with someone who's spewed up on him or herself quite unsociable. Last night I saw a drunkard crashed out on the steps at Morden station while staff attended to him as they were waiting for the police / ambulance to take him away.
I've seen too many 'near misses' of passengers being stupid on public transport because of alcohol abuse.
Interesting that the article you link to writes; "For once, are we to be treated like adults and in turn have the opportunity to respect that freedom and have a thoroughly enjoyable time?"
Thing is about adults, once alcohol comes into the question, they are no longer able to think like adults. That's why this piss up on the Circle Line seems a rather pointless type of protest.

Annie said...

I AM CALM!!!

Ahem. Yes, but it's not actually illegal (yet) to be drunk on the tubes, so how does this law help?

My feeling is that there needs to be a sea-change in attitudes to drinking - nowhere else in Europe do they have such a berserker Viking attitude to it. Partly due to the restrictive attitudes and laws I think.

And the other day I realised I had a bottle in my bag, on the way to a friend's house in North London, it was just sitting there innocently in my bag, I was not quaffing from it. But a week later I would have been breaking the law. I take your point about safety, but I'm on my high horse because ordinary people doing ordinary things are more and more being criminalised.

Istvanski said...

"But there will be no open alcohol containers allowed on the tube, buses or DLR from 1st June."

You're not breaking the law if you've got the container securely fastened with a cork or screw top device - so you would've not been breaking the law.
What's the point of letting alcohol leak out into your bag. Bit of a waste, don't you think?

Annie said...

phew, I am not a criminal...

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Del said...

I agree with your view that there needs to be a sea change in attitude to booze. It's depressing that the best thing that people can think of doing is getting completely smashed out of their heads. Banning the alcohol in places, or putting the prices up isn't getting to the root of the problem, it's just a quick fix. And as such, it won't work.

We live in a selfish capitalist state where everyone is pitted against one another in a simplistic dog eat dog fashion. Social mobility is at an all time low, teenage pregnancy the highest in Europe. Youth violence is on the rise. If you're not rich and a celebrity, you're nothing, so you might as well go and drink yourself to death.

We need to be offering people choices, not clamping down on them.

Annie said...

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Didn't anybody like my 'Train coming around the bend' video? It amused me (though the ladies dancing on the tracks probably did not amuse Istvanski one little bit.) I'm not really going on the Circle Line protest, getting smashed out of my gourd (I did that last night and I think I accidentally bizarrely agreed I'd train with a friend for a Triathlon - booze is dangerous) and potentially falling to my death onto a live track, but I'll be there in spirit.

Del, I agree. It's just very, very short-sighted, band-aid politics.

Istvanski said...

I'm fine with anyone dancing on the tracks as long as they've been instructed and deemed competent in Personal Track Safety and are wearing a high visibility vest at all times.
;-P

Bowleserised said...

I just read about this in the Indy and yes, I am so sick of the drink culture in the UK.

"One reveller, David Mudkips, 25, a web programmer from Hackney, described the experience on the train as: "Like rush hour but fun. There were people's sweaty armpits in my face but I didn't care because I was drinking."

Oh God. Why don't these people turn out to defend a more worthy civil liberty? It's like people who bang on about the freedom to smoke pot. Fine, but don't for one minute think you're going to change the world and make it a better place just by rolling a sodding spliff and ordering a pizza.

Annie said...

Yes, I wonder why I reacted against it. Maybe it’s just getting older but we seem to be more and more hemmed in by petty laws and restrictions. Something not to your liking in society? Ban it! Don’t look at cause and effect or anything.

I don’t like the drink culture but then I do like getting drunk sometimes – sometimes it’s good to get into a different state of consciousness, and let the barriers down, right? So it’s alright when I do it, but not other people...

I was thinking that ‘corked’ ‘securely closed’ rule that Istvanski mentioned was discriminating against beer drinkers. Is it me, or is there some class prejudice in this distinction? Middle class ladies carrying a bottle of Chablis will be alright, but chavs with cans of Tennents are in trouble…

Bowleserised said...

You didn't think I was being angry at you, did you? Wasn't meant to sound that way. It's just that the "free to drink and vomit on the Tube" thing reminds me of the large turnout to ban foxhunting vs the small turnout to vote on the Iraq war. Meh.

Moominmama said...

I must be an old prude, but for my part I'm glad all those rediculous revellers did such an excellent job of proving Boris's point for him and demonstrating the necessity of the booze ban on the tube.

(And I don't even like BoJo, but if he manages to cut the crime in London and plant the million trees he's claiming to want to plant I think he'll be ok.)